The fantastic 30 Seconds to Mars' world
Sep. 28th, 2007 08:44 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
cmorgana_buOk, since in the last days I saw around a lot of misunderstandings, bullshits and angry comments about all the echelon universe and the people who are in it, and since I’m sick tired to answer mails, comments and messages explaining what I think and feel about the band, the music, the fans etc etc I decided to write this post. Someone will like it, someone would want to flame me and probably she/he will do it, probably someone will just shake his/her head…no problem, feel free to do whatever you want to. That’s what I think and I believe in myself enough to be ready to defend myself or hug someone who feels the same way :) . That’s also why this post will remain public. I have nothing to be ashamed of or to hide.
Just another note before I start:this post is not for a specific person or group of people, and definitely not for someone specific in lj-land. I know the people who are in my flist and so I also know what they think and how they feel. I’m posting this here just because I need something to link around not to copy/paste all the things I’m going to write every time I need to say them :) . Obviously if you feel like I’m speaking about you…uhm, then maybe we have a problem :P
WARNING Language will be often rated NC17 for insults and such. Plus if you are a fangirl, if you just follow the band ‘coz they are hot and if you like to call yourself an “Echelon” but you definitely aren’t one past this cut you’ll be insulted and ill-treated (if you’re an echelon, instead, you’ll probably smile a few times and nod vehemently) . I warned you so don’t come and cry later.
The *JARED LETO* part
Why I decided to start from here? Simple: because Jared is the big, enormous, gap between echelon and not-echelon. Also because I feel that’s the first topic I need to make clear. So there is my POV about that man.
A looooong time ago at 4 in the morning I found this pic and since I’m not blind I saw that this man is really hot. I didn’t know who this man was though (please, note the file’s name, it’s tagged as “oliver”) so, out of curiosity I asked around. Almost no one seemed to know who that guy was but in the end, 2 days after, I found out he was Hephaistion from the new O.Stone’s movie. Oh, nice to know, let me search something more about him…After a thousand confirmations he really was/is :P hot, after I found out he starred in a long list of movies I actually saw but I totally couldn’t remember his characters, after about 5 days more, I found out he has a band. My reaction? “oh damn no, please! Another pathetic actor trying and being a musician…please killhim me now!”. But you all know how this ‘fandom things’ go, so in the end I searched for his music and “his” (I want to puke writing that, but ehy, I need to write it there, so…) band.
From this little tale you all can see I am another of the too-much-people who knew 30 Seconds to Mars (that from now on I’m going to abbreviate or I’ll get mad) because of Jared Leto’s blue eyes and nice ass. Just, for me, after a really short while, things totally changed. But I’m going to speak about it later, when I’ll speak about the band, because now I want to finish the speech about Jared as an actor.
From when I fell in love with the band it’s like there are two Jared (the first one to say something about “the kill” I swear will be a dead man/woman :)). I think it’s enough to look at him during an interview to singer!Jared or to actor!Jared to see it. He is different, and maybe because I want to see it, or maybe because he really is, he seems more at ease in his musician shoes.
If I’d have to choose I’d definitely decide for him to be just a musician, ‘coz that man is born to be on stage with a mic in his hand and a public adoring him, but since I’ve not to choose he’s also an actor, he’ll remain an actor and he is fucking good at that too. He can really act, and that’s more than a lot of people around Hollywood can tell about themselves. So yeah, I saw all his films (and I’ll see all the ones he’s going to be in), some I loved, some I hated, some were good and some were the worst crap I ever saw, but I loved him in every single minutes of them, and yeah I looked at his handsome face and body. That makes a fangirl of me? I don’t think so, I just think that Jared is a fucking genius and he can do perfectly everything we wants to, and I love him enough to support him in whatever he’ll decide to do (and we are talking about a love for someone you don’t know, don’t get me wrong with the “love thing”, please). That makes of me a person egoistic enough to want him just as the 30stm singer so we’d get rid of a lot of useless fangirls but who well know that if tomorrow Jared would come and tell us he wants to be a classical dancer wearing a pink tutu (yeah, disturbing image :P) he’d do it perfectly and I’d love that too.
Ok, I spoke enough about him…
The *BAND AND MUSIC* part
As I said before I knew them thanks to “Hephaistion”, I downloaded their songs, I listened to them and I was like: “bah, dunno”. Yes, you read it right, I was perplexed, because when I first heard their music the S/T was definitely a genre out of my range, I think at those times I’d have liked something like ABL a lot more…but then I listened to it one more time, and then another one and another one, and I realized they were good. I realized it wasn’t Jared-I’m-so-sexy-Leto’s band, but they really were a rock band and they really believed in what they did. From here to download the songs on my iPod and listen to them every day going to university the step has been really short. It took three days to totally fall in love with Buddha for Mary.
That’s how 30STM started to change my music tastes and my conception of music.
I know what I’ll say from now on will sound pathetic to someone, but I also know that a lot of people out there will perfectly understand me…
It took a really little time to found out that 30STM are so much more than four people making music (not a word about the number of them…count how much they are on stage…done? So? Yes, they are 4 on stage, so they are 4 members, don’t care *who* they are), and soon I discovered that they are “addicting”.
They don’t just play 7 notes on their instruments, they put their souls in it and they give the echelon a little bit of them. They don’t “play for us”, they “make us a part of what they are and what they do”. I think that’s why I love them so much and why they are so different from a lot of bands. When I first found out that after the shows they spend times with the fans taking pics and simply chatting with them I couldn’t believe it. I mean how other band does that? We all know how tiring and stressful must be a show like their (especially at the beginning when they really had to demonstrate that they just weren’t Jared’s band but that they really could do it ) and being them after a show I’d just like some time for myself. But no, they come out just after, time to change the clothes, often they don’t even do that, to drink a little, maybe take a pee and they are out hanging with strangers and making the “strangers” feel like they know them, like they are a little more than that.
Going back to the music…
They always change it, improve it. Ok, there are a lot of different opinions about ABL…it’s so different from the S/T, I can’t deny it, but I can’t even deny it’s good. Ok, nothing it’s like Echelon or Buddha or *pick a random S/T song* but no one can tell it’s not good, because it is. And the unreleased songs they sometimes play live, as sisters or the one in London…they are different from the S/T and from ABL too, but they are really great. Plus every time they play a song, don’t matter if it’s the first or millionth time, they play it a little different, and they put a little more in it. I have something like 40 different versions of acoustic/live Capricorn on my iPod and not one is the same as the others.
I could say something also about the interviews that are always more than funny but that between a joke and a fake info always say what an echelon is curious to know, or about all the symbology thing (‘coz damn, tell me all that part is not really important in the band being and music, if you dare!), but I’d probably spend ten pages speaking about it, plus who I need to understand what I’m meaning already know what I’d be going to say, and who don’t understand what I’m referring to…shouldn’t even read all that ‘coz I don’t think it’s worth your time…go and do something more useful to you, ‘coz 30STM definitely aren’t something important enough to you to lose your time on them.
The *ECHELON* part
A/N I’m not going to speak about fangirls here and that because they are just like annoying bugs to me. I mean if you want to lust on Jared’s backside or want to dream on how it would feel to touch his crotch go and rent Alexander (or a porn and imagine Jared while he fucks you, I don’t care), wet your pants, take a cold shower and don’t come and bother us, the band and Jared at the shows. Really. I don’t need to see you jump around ‘coz you touched Jared’s hand, it makes me sick in the stomach and then…girl, get a real life and a real bf/gf!.
So, if you recognize yourself in what I just said, please go, take a dildo, a pic of Jared half naked, have fun and stop reading. Thank you.
First of all there are two kind of people who follow 30STM:
- Fans
- Echelon
Fans: are the ones who like their music, come to their shows and they even know most of their song to heart. Probably they also have their albums (probably here in Europe they have ABL and they downloaded the first one ‘coz it’s harder to find and it’s not worth to lose time searching for it in stores) and know a little about them, the symbols and such. Maybe they even wear a shirt with 30STM written on it. Other than that they consider 30STM just another band with good rock, to listen every now and then and with good shows for a different night out with friends.
I have absolutely *NOTHING* against fans. I mean I am *fan* of a lot of band that have good music and they pop up in my playlist between a song and another. They are totally normal people who likes music (and it’s good to have such fans around a band, it means they really are good and not just for us who love them period lol) and simply think there is something better than 30STM and don’t want to spend too much time around their universe, or maybe they just have a different way to relate themselves to music than we have. Definitely perfect fine with me, and I consider them, musically speaking, nothing less than an echelon. I even like to see them at the shows, ‘coz it’s always good to meet new people with common interests.
Echelon: and that’s a totally different thing. First times I heard the band calling the echelon a big dysfunctional family I was perplexed ‘coz well, I don’t call *family* someone I don’t know, then I realized why they call us like that.
An echelon is someone who believes in all the things I told about the band and in a lot more. An echelon is someone that’s here to support the band, no matter what, but at the same time can think with his/her own brain and give constructive criticisms ‘coz like I do with my family and friends is not like if I don’t like something they make/say I just keep my mouth shut. An echelon sometimes can also be upset with them (and I have definitely been with a few of their choices), an echelon could even want to kick their asses, but while doing it he/she’s ready to support them some more and to work a little harder for them just to help the band to make everyone else forget what hypothetic error has just been made. An echelon is ready to spend money, time, work…just to let the world see how big they are and how bigger they could be, and he/she does that expecting nothing in exchange.
I street team there in Italy, also as individual street team, also just convincing a friend to buy the cd or making my cousin listen to them…I definitely don’t expect the band to know it, lol, and don’t think they’ll feel the difference of selling one more cd, but I do it anyway, ‘coz I believe in them, ‘coz I believe that all this can grow more and more.
I don’t call echelon all the people who want to do something for them just because then they’ll have something back. I don’t call echelon who want to do street teaming just because then he/she will meet the band after the show or so maybe they’ll enter the show before the others or such. Do you really think I do it for that? Do you really think that after the two “terrible” days in London, after running around all day, I really walked around one more hour, hungry and with a desperate need for a bathroom, lol, just because after the show I could have meet the band for half a minute and say hi? Well, if you believe it then you’re reaaaaally wrong. The only reason I did it was just because I really believe in what we were doing, because I *wanted* to do it and because I wanted to spend a little more time with my fellow echelon. Yes, because being an echelon is that too: be together. It’s meeting someone you never knew before and find out you share a sort of deep bound, find out you are there because there is something deep that made you both wake up in the morning just to give out fliers, waiting for the guys or simply meet all together to say stupid things and laugh for a few hours.
Thanks to all that I met some of the most important people who are in my life now, and I know I’ll meet more.
But being an echelon also mean *respect*. For the others and first of all for the band. One of the things I appreciated more at the BBC in London as been as the people reacted when the cars with the guys arrived. I’m Italian, I’m sadly used to “omg one of them! *runs and crush them against a wall*” and I have to admit for a moment I feared it would happen there too, but then Tomo and Shannon left that car and in a total silence we all took a step back to let them enter the building, just saying aridiculous “hiiiiii” when Shannon waves at us. Same for Jared. No one “attacked” him and he *chose* to spend a few minutes with us even before the performance at the radio. He did it smiling because he wanted to, not because he had too much people around blocking his way and he couldn’t reach the door. Speak with them, take a pic with them or spend a few minutes with Tomo, Shannon and Jared (I’d like to say Tim –and obviously Matt- too) because they *liked* it, was worth every thing I ever did and sacrificed to sustain them. They didn’t have to and if they didn’t stay for a while with us I wouldn’t have hated them because, well, I understand they were probably tired, nervous and they still had a lot of things to do before the show, instead they wanted to do it, they wanted to take group pics…we didn’t ask for them, Shannon and Jared did.
That and the people around me, persons I never met before but ready to talk, laugh, share, are the things that this time and a lot other times, make me feel what the real echelon is and how proud I am of being a part of that. And I’ll never end to thank the band enough for giving me the opportunity to feel like that. Whatever will happen there will be no echelon who’ll forget Matt’s kindness, Tomo’s bear hugs, Shannon’s jokes, Tim’s cuteness and Jared…being just his crazy self :P (I didn’t say Solon just because I don’t know him…when I saw my first vids of the band *he* was in there, not Tomo, but I know too little about him to really like him more than as “the former guitarist”, sorry)
Maybe all this is also the reason I hate who call themselves echelon without even know what it means, people who say they are echelon and then ask what “unity divide, division will unite” mean or what the “X” is.
Also about this topic I spoke too much and I didn’t say a lot of important things anyway, but as I said…I should wrote a novel to tell everything about the band and the echelon :P
The *DROOL&SLASH* part
That topic is definitely confused and I want to make it a little more clear.
I know that lusting over them could seem a little fangirlish but honestly: can someone blame me? I mean we all see that they are 4 hot guys and I’m 90% sure almost everyone out there would like to have at least one of them for the night lol (*points to would* ‘coz if that would really happen: no thanks. Don’t forget I’m a lesbian, but it’s not that, I just think it would be really sad to fuck with someone just because he’s handsome and he’s a rockstar…obviously just my opinion and I hope no one will take offence from that). So where is the problem? They *know* they are more or less hot and they know women (and some men too) like them. Damn, I don’t think would be a problem to Tomo if he’d know I consider him one of the sexiest men around. And I don’t even think it would be oh such a great discover to know a bunch of girls watch at their asses when they found a new pic. That makes a fangirl of me? No, I don’t think so, because between me and a fangirl there is a difference: I know when something is appropriate and when it is not.
I’d never touch Tomo’s ass (I did once because I was behind him and someone pushed me and it take him ten minutes to stop me from repeating “omg sorry I didn’t want, I didn’t mean to” and convince me it wasn’t a problem and it was just a little “accident”!) or drool in front of Jared telling him how beautiful his blue eyes are. To be honest when I’m with them I just realize I’m in front of the musicians I like so much and there is no space for stupid thoughts about them being handsome. That just to say that I can drool, I can make stupid jokes and I can look at Jared’s crotch when I find a good pic of him, but that the “they are men I totally respect and first of all they are the band that in some ways changed my life” part will always come before everything. The day Shannon won’t have one single hair on his head, Tomo will be 30 kilos more and Jared will start to show that he’s no longer twenty (ok, that probably will never happen :P he’s Jared :P) I’ll maybe stop drooling on them but I’ll definitely still be an echelon and I’ll definitely support them. (Tim won’t be there, sorry…we already lost him: kidnapped by fans after he fell out of a window to catch something :P:P:P:P)
Same thing goes for the slash. I slash practically every animate and inanimate thing and I did it for much longer than I know 30STM. Doing it I don’t mean to offend anyone and I keep saying that if you don’t like what I read and write you just have to stay away from it. I don’t see how what I do to enjoy myself when real life is overwhelming, involving just the people who shared that interest with me, and perfectly knowing that are just “sick bullshits” (to put it that way) and without thinking even for a second that the band components could really do that, could transform me in a worse echelon.
I don’t accept to be criticize for being a slasher, but I can try and understand it, but I can’t definitely understand who flames me for what I do in *private*, for self recreation, and just using famous names. Do they judge Shannon for what he does in his private time? I don’t think so…so I can’t see why someone should judge me :P
I won’t saying more about this topic or it could become another long and useless rant about slash and such.
That’s a general panoramic of what I think about the 30STM universe and about who I am and why I am there. If you share my ideas and feelings or if you want to ask something please comment me, I’d love to read you :). Also if you think I said a lot of bullshits feel free to tell me, please just do it in a civil way. I like constructive criticism :) plus I know some thing couldn’t be clear and maybe we think the same but I wrote it in a wrong way ;)
Instead if you feel insulted, if you want to flame me please, don’t do it, you’d throw your time away ‘coz I’m not going to answer…You can spend that time looking at Jared’s bathrobe in Alexander (as I said I don’t deny it’s a good view…it’s just that to like him for that is declassing and humiliating especially for a man who works his ass out 20hr a day to give always his best) and if you want to complain ‘coz you know Jared love you personally and a day you’ll be his wife so I shouldn’t speak bad about you…please use the bar you see at the top of your screen and try and browse: “psychiatric help”.
Last thing: I think it’s a closed topic, but if someone has something more to say about the BBC or the Brixton signing line, and I mean *bad* things, feel free to comment here to so I’ll answer and maybe we’ll close all that once and for all :)
Sorry for the bad English, I think that’s the longest thing I ever write and no one betaed it ;)
Una traduzione italiana arriverà molto presto :)
Just another note before I start:this post is not for a specific person or group of people, and definitely not for someone specific in lj-land. I know the people who are in my flist and so I also know what they think and how they feel. I’m posting this here just because I need something to link around not to copy/paste all the things I’m going to write every time I need to say them :) . Obviously if you feel like I’m speaking about you…uhm, then maybe we have a problem :P
WARNING Language will be often rated NC17 for insults and such. Plus if you are a fangirl, if you just follow the band ‘coz they are hot and if you like to call yourself an “Echelon” but you definitely aren’t one past this cut you’ll be insulted and ill-treated (if you’re an echelon, instead, you’ll probably smile a few times and nod vehemently) . I warned you so don’t come and cry later.
The *JARED LETO* part
Why I decided to start from here? Simple: because Jared is the big, enormous, gap between echelon and not-echelon. Also because I feel that’s the first topic I need to make clear. So there is my POV about that man.
A looooong time ago at 4 in the morning I found this pic and since I’m not blind I saw that this man is really hot. I didn’t know who this man was though (please, note the file’s name, it’s tagged as “oliver”) so, out of curiosity I asked around. Almost no one seemed to know who that guy was but in the end, 2 days after, I found out he was Hephaistion from the new O.Stone’s movie. Oh, nice to know, let me search something more about him…After a thousand confirmations he really was/is :P hot, after I found out he starred in a long list of movies I actually saw but I totally couldn’t remember his characters, after about 5 days more, I found out he has a band. My reaction? “oh damn no, please! Another pathetic actor trying and being a musician…please kill
From this little tale you all can see I am another of the too-much-people who knew 30 Seconds to Mars (that from now on I’m going to abbreviate or I’ll get mad) because of Jared Leto’s blue eyes and nice ass. Just, for me, after a really short while, things totally changed. But I’m going to speak about it later, when I’ll speak about the band, because now I want to finish the speech about Jared as an actor.
From when I fell in love with the band it’s like there are two Jared (the first one to say something about “the kill” I swear will be a dead man/woman :)). I think it’s enough to look at him during an interview to singer!Jared or to actor!Jared to see it. He is different, and maybe because I want to see it, or maybe because he really is, he seems more at ease in his musician shoes.
If I’d have to choose I’d definitely decide for him to be just a musician, ‘coz that man is born to be on stage with a mic in his hand and a public adoring him, but since I’ve not to choose he’s also an actor, he’ll remain an actor and he is fucking good at that too. He can really act, and that’s more than a lot of people around Hollywood can tell about themselves. So yeah, I saw all his films (and I’ll see all the ones he’s going to be in), some I loved, some I hated, some were good and some were the worst crap I ever saw, but I loved him in every single minutes of them, and yeah I looked at his handsome face and body. That makes a fangirl of me? I don’t think so, I just think that Jared is a fucking genius and he can do perfectly everything we wants to, and I love him enough to support him in whatever he’ll decide to do (and we are talking about a love for someone you don’t know, don’t get me wrong with the “love thing”, please). That makes of me a person egoistic enough to want him just as the 30stm singer so we’d get rid of a lot of useless fangirls but who well know that if tomorrow Jared would come and tell us he wants to be a classical dancer wearing a pink tutu (yeah, disturbing image :P) he’d do it perfectly and I’d love that too.
Ok, I spoke enough about him…
The *BAND AND MUSIC* part
As I said before I knew them thanks to “Hephaistion”, I downloaded their songs, I listened to them and I was like: “bah, dunno”. Yes, you read it right, I was perplexed, because when I first heard their music the S/T was definitely a genre out of my range, I think at those times I’d have liked something like ABL a lot more…but then I listened to it one more time, and then another one and another one, and I realized they were good. I realized it wasn’t Jared-I’m-so-sexy-Leto’s band, but they really were a rock band and they really believed in what they did. From here to download the songs on my iPod and listen to them every day going to university the step has been really short. It took three days to totally fall in love with Buddha for Mary.
That’s how 30STM started to change my music tastes and my conception of music.
I know what I’ll say from now on will sound pathetic to someone, but I also know that a lot of people out there will perfectly understand me…
It took a really little time to found out that 30STM are so much more than four people making music (not a word about the number of them…count how much they are on stage…done? So? Yes, they are 4 on stage, so they are 4 members, don’t care *who* they are), and soon I discovered that they are “addicting”.
They don’t just play 7 notes on their instruments, they put their souls in it and they give the echelon a little bit of them. They don’t “play for us”, they “make us a part of what they are and what they do”. I think that’s why I love them so much and why they are so different from a lot of bands. When I first found out that after the shows they spend times with the fans taking pics and simply chatting with them I couldn’t believe it. I mean how other band does that? We all know how tiring and stressful must be a show like their (especially at the beginning when they really had to demonstrate that they just weren’t Jared’s band but that they really could do it ) and being them after a show I’d just like some time for myself. But no, they come out just after, time to change the clothes, often they don’t even do that, to drink a little, maybe take a pee and they are out hanging with strangers and making the “strangers” feel like they know them, like they are a little more than that.
Going back to the music…
They always change it, improve it. Ok, there are a lot of different opinions about ABL…it’s so different from the S/T, I can’t deny it, but I can’t even deny it’s good. Ok, nothing it’s like Echelon or Buddha or *pick a random S/T song* but no one can tell it’s not good, because it is. And the unreleased songs they sometimes play live, as sisters or the one in London…they are different from the S/T and from ABL too, but they are really great. Plus every time they play a song, don’t matter if it’s the first or millionth time, they play it a little different, and they put a little more in it. I have something like 40 different versions of acoustic/live Capricorn on my iPod and not one is the same as the others.
I could say something also about the interviews that are always more than funny but that between a joke and a fake info always say what an echelon is curious to know, or about all the symbology thing (‘coz damn, tell me all that part is not really important in the band being and music, if you dare!), but I’d probably spend ten pages speaking about it, plus who I need to understand what I’m meaning already know what I’d be going to say, and who don’t understand what I’m referring to…shouldn’t even read all that ‘coz I don’t think it’s worth your time…go and do something more useful to you, ‘coz 30STM definitely aren’t something important enough to you to lose your time on them.
The *ECHELON* part
A/N I’m not going to speak about fangirls here and that because they are just like annoying bugs to me. I mean if you want to lust on Jared’s backside or want to dream on how it would feel to touch his crotch go and rent Alexander (or a porn and imagine Jared while he fucks you, I don’t care), wet your pants, take a cold shower and don’t come and bother us, the band and Jared at the shows. Really. I don’t need to see you jump around ‘coz you touched Jared’s hand, it makes me sick in the stomach and then…girl, get a real life and a real bf/gf!.
So, if you recognize yourself in what I just said, please go, take a dildo, a pic of Jared half naked, have fun and stop reading. Thank you.
First of all there are two kind of people who follow 30STM:
- Fans
- Echelon
Fans: are the ones who like their music, come to their shows and they even know most of their song to heart. Probably they also have their albums (probably here in Europe they have ABL and they downloaded the first one ‘coz it’s harder to find and it’s not worth to lose time searching for it in stores) and know a little about them, the symbols and such. Maybe they even wear a shirt with 30STM written on it. Other than that they consider 30STM just another band with good rock, to listen every now and then and with good shows for a different night out with friends.
I have absolutely *NOTHING* against fans. I mean I am *fan* of a lot of band that have good music and they pop up in my playlist between a song and another. They are totally normal people who likes music (and it’s good to have such fans around a band, it means they really are good and not just for us who love them period lol) and simply think there is something better than 30STM and don’t want to spend too much time around their universe, or maybe they just have a different way to relate themselves to music than we have. Definitely perfect fine with me, and I consider them, musically speaking, nothing less than an echelon. I even like to see them at the shows, ‘coz it’s always good to meet new people with common interests.
Echelon: and that’s a totally different thing. First times I heard the band calling the echelon a big dysfunctional family I was perplexed ‘coz well, I don’t call *family* someone I don’t know, then I realized why they call us like that.
An echelon is someone who believes in all the things I told about the band and in a lot more. An echelon is someone that’s here to support the band, no matter what, but at the same time can think with his/her own brain and give constructive criticisms ‘coz like I do with my family and friends is not like if I don’t like something they make/say I just keep my mouth shut. An echelon sometimes can also be upset with them (and I have definitely been with a few of their choices), an echelon could even want to kick their asses, but while doing it he/she’s ready to support them some more and to work a little harder for them just to help the band to make everyone else forget what hypothetic error has just been made. An echelon is ready to spend money, time, work…just to let the world see how big they are and how bigger they could be, and he/she does that expecting nothing in exchange.
I street team there in Italy, also as individual street team, also just convincing a friend to buy the cd or making my cousin listen to them…I definitely don’t expect the band to know it, lol, and don’t think they’ll feel the difference of selling one more cd, but I do it anyway, ‘coz I believe in them, ‘coz I believe that all this can grow more and more.
I don’t call echelon all the people who want to do something for them just because then they’ll have something back. I don’t call echelon who want to do street teaming just because then he/she will meet the band after the show or so maybe they’ll enter the show before the others or such. Do you really think I do it for that? Do you really think that after the two “terrible” days in London, after running around all day, I really walked around one more hour, hungry and with a desperate need for a bathroom, lol, just because after the show I could have meet the band for half a minute and say hi? Well, if you believe it then you’re reaaaaally wrong. The only reason I did it was just because I really believe in what we were doing, because I *wanted* to do it and because I wanted to spend a little more time with my fellow echelon. Yes, because being an echelon is that too: be together. It’s meeting someone you never knew before and find out you share a sort of deep bound, find out you are there because there is something deep that made you both wake up in the morning just to give out fliers, waiting for the guys or simply meet all together to say stupid things and laugh for a few hours.
Thanks to all that I met some of the most important people who are in my life now, and I know I’ll meet more.
But being an echelon also mean *respect*. For the others and first of all for the band. One of the things I appreciated more at the BBC in London as been as the people reacted when the cars with the guys arrived. I’m Italian, I’m sadly used to “omg one of them! *runs and crush them against a wall*” and I have to admit for a moment I feared it would happen there too, but then Tomo and Shannon left that car and in a total silence we all took a step back to let them enter the building, just saying a
That and the people around me, persons I never met before but ready to talk, laugh, share, are the things that this time and a lot other times, make me feel what the real echelon is and how proud I am of being a part of that. And I’ll never end to thank the band enough for giving me the opportunity to feel like that. Whatever will happen there will be no echelon who’ll forget Matt’s kindness, Tomo’s bear hugs, Shannon’s jokes, Tim’s cuteness and Jared…being just his crazy self :P (I didn’t say Solon just because I don’t know him…when I saw my first vids of the band *he* was in there, not Tomo, but I know too little about him to really like him more than as “the former guitarist”, sorry)
Maybe all this is also the reason I hate who call themselves echelon without even know what it means, people who say they are echelon and then ask what “unity divide, division will unite” mean or what the “X” is.
Also about this topic I spoke too much and I didn’t say a lot of important things anyway, but as I said…I should wrote a novel to tell everything about the band and the echelon :P
The *DROOL&SLASH* part
That topic is definitely confused and I want to make it a little more clear.
I know that lusting over them could seem a little fangirlish but honestly: can someone blame me? I mean we all see that they are 4 hot guys and I’m 90% sure almost everyone out there would like to have at least one of them for the night lol (*points to would* ‘coz if that would really happen: no thanks. Don’t forget I’m a lesbian, but it’s not that, I just think it would be really sad to fuck with someone just because he’s handsome and he’s a rockstar…obviously just my opinion and I hope no one will take offence from that). So where is the problem? They *know* they are more or less hot and they know women (and some men too) like them. Damn, I don’t think would be a problem to Tomo if he’d know I consider him one of the sexiest men around. And I don’t even think it would be oh such a great discover to know a bunch of girls watch at their asses when they found a new pic. That makes a fangirl of me? No, I don’t think so, because between me and a fangirl there is a difference: I know when something is appropriate and when it is not.
I’d never touch Tomo’s ass (I did once because I was behind him and someone pushed me and it take him ten minutes to stop me from repeating “omg sorry I didn’t want, I didn’t mean to” and convince me it wasn’t a problem and it was just a little “accident”!) or drool in front of Jared telling him how beautiful his blue eyes are. To be honest when I’m with them I just realize I’m in front of the musicians I like so much and there is no space for stupid thoughts about them being handsome. That just to say that I can drool, I can make stupid jokes and I can look at Jared’s crotch when I find a good pic of him, but that the “they are men I totally respect and first of all they are the band that in some ways changed my life” part will always come before everything. The day Shannon won’t have one single hair on his head, Tomo will be 30 kilos more and Jared will start to show that he’s no longer twenty (ok, that probably will never happen :P he’s Jared :P) I’ll maybe stop drooling on them but I’ll definitely still be an echelon and I’ll definitely support them. (Tim won’t be there, sorry…we already lost him: kidnapped by fans after he fell out of a window to catch something :P:P:P:P)
Same thing goes for the slash. I slash practically every animate and inanimate thing and I did it for much longer than I know 30STM. Doing it I don’t mean to offend anyone and I keep saying that if you don’t like what I read and write you just have to stay away from it. I don’t see how what I do to enjoy myself when real life is overwhelming, involving just the people who shared that interest with me, and perfectly knowing that are just “sick bullshits” (to put it that way) and without thinking even for a second that the band components could really do that, could transform me in a worse echelon.
I don’t accept to be criticize for being a slasher, but I can try and understand it, but I can’t definitely understand who flames me for what I do in *private*, for self recreation, and just using famous names. Do they judge Shannon for what he does in his private time? I don’t think so…so I can’t see why someone should judge me :P
I won’t saying more about this topic or it could become another long and useless rant about slash and such.
That’s a general panoramic of what I think about the 30STM universe and about who I am and why I am there. If you share my ideas and feelings or if you want to ask something please comment me, I’d love to read you :). Also if you think I said a lot of bullshits feel free to tell me, please just do it in a civil way. I like constructive criticism :) plus I know some thing couldn’t be clear and maybe we think the same but I wrote it in a wrong way ;)
Instead if you feel insulted, if you want to flame me please, don’t do it, you’d throw your time away ‘coz I’m not going to answer…You can spend that time looking at Jared’s bathrobe in Alexander (as I said I don’t deny it’s a good view…it’s just that to like him for that is declassing and humiliating especially for a man who works his ass out 20hr a day to give always his best) and if you want to complain ‘coz you know Jared love you personally and a day you’ll be his wife so I shouldn’t speak bad about you…please use the bar you see at the top of your screen and try and browse: “psychiatric help”.
Last thing: I think it’s a closed topic, but if someone has something more to say about the BBC or the Brixton signing line, and I mean *bad* things, feel free to comment here to so I’ll answer and maybe we’ll close all that once and for all :)
Sorry for the bad English, I think that’s the longest thing I ever write and no one betaed it ;)
Una traduzione italiana arriverà molto presto :)
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Date: 2007-09-28 07:40 pm (UTC)But, you see, it's not only the fans or "fangirls" (sue them, seriously. They make me sick!) that are the problem. It's a problem developed between both sides, us and the band. And you have to admit, sometimes Jared really asks for it. He made all the fangirls come up and he lets them do or say their bullshit. I think it's because they buy their CDs, which is good for them, of course. I would probably do the same. I'm pretty sure the reason he was seen shirtless on FY was exactly that - for the fangirls. They watch, drool and buy. They write little love letters and ask him to marry them. *shrugs* He raised them, he and we gotta deal with them.
A lot of things that happened in the past two years made me wonder, though, if the Echelon is really the problem. There's a lot of jealousy and envy going on. People feel it more important to be someone than to work for and with everyone else. That is one of the biggest reasons I stopped working with people.
The other thing is the band's behaviour as well. I want to blame the fact that they've been touring for way too long and are exhausted for some of the not-so-nice things they have done, intentionally or unintentionally. It makes me wonder if it's not really that the band forgot what the Echelon is about. Or if they lost their respect for the Echelon. There were times where communication, although they were successful, had been more enjoyable and worked better than it is now. They have disappointed a lot of people that have been with them since the very beginning greatly. I've talked to a lot of them. Great supporters that went to every show and spent lots of hours to promote them, so they'd end up where they are today. Has that been rewarded lately? With more than a hollow "We love you Echelon"? Or a smile and a "Oh, that's great", and it's clear they're not really interested in that anymore? It makes me sad. And it made me stop promoting them. I dunno if I'll ever be as active again as I was before. People and the band have disappointed me.
The Echelon isn't really the same anymore what it used to be. And I don't think it can only be narrowed down to idiots wearing a t-shirt saying "Echelon" and act like they are, while they have no fucking clue WHAT is actually is. Some things are also the doing of the band. Sadly.
Just my 2 cents. But I can fully understand you.
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Date: 2007-09-28 09:24 pm (UTC)I totally understand what you're saing, about the echelon interested in being someone and also about
Jaredthe band taking strange decisions just to make more money and to be more and more famous.A few months ago I and some other girls of my group also wrote an "open letter to the band and the echelon" to speak about that. About the feeling that the echelon is no longer so important since now there are thousands of fangirls buying the album and making them rich, about them no longer being what we fell in love for and such.
To be honest we also went to London with that idea...It was London that changed something back, at least for me. Dunno, maybe because I was there, maybe because I desperately want to see that not everything is lost, lol, but i really felt the difference from when they are with fans and fangirls and when they are with echelon. I mean, past february in London I swear I wanted to slap Jared, he acted like the big star and I hated him...he had a thousand drooling girls around him...this time at the BBC I loved him, he was cheerful and friendly and he didn't even think to say something like "please, took the pen cap off before you give it to me for the signing" that made me so angry past winter...
As I also said in the post, I'm not dumb and i'm not blind, I can see and judge with my own head, and I can see when they are really wrong exactly as I can say they did a lot of things that I didn't like at all (Festivalbar was one of that..I could have stayied there that night and I didn't because I totally couldn't support them in something like that), but right now it seems to me that while selling a little of
their soulswhat they were to the system just to arrive where they are, while they give things they don't deserve to people who follow them just because Jared is hot and took his shirt off (and I'd like a lot more Tomo or Shan with their shirts off :P:P So Jared, think about it for the ABL vid :P) they are also trying and sending us little signals as to say "don't worry, we have to act like that but we don't forget the echelon. We don't forget that *you* took us there even if now we need the echelon no more".they no more need promoting, I keep saying it's stupid to promote someone who's already a star, but to be honest I do that more for myself than for them. I need to believe, I need to fight and I need to feel, also if just for a while, that the echelon is not dead. They can't stop to believe in us, but the echelon will continue to exist. The people I met and the people I love will be there also when they'll have forget about us, and if promoting them and follow them is a way to keep the people I love togheter oh well, lets do it then :P
About the wars in the echelon...We are too much people, with too much ideas and too much human reactions...I don't expect for everyone to get along well other than a few hours chatting about the new songs or Shannon's jeans, and I'm sadly accostumed to envy and jealousy...but there also are a lot of people out there that are worth it...I just stay away from certain people...
ok, sooorry, I spoke too much again ^^; but since you touched a topic really hot there in Italy...lol...
thanks again!
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Date: 2007-09-28 09:38 pm (UTC)I have wondered about writing a letter as well. Either to get things off my chest or really hand it over. In the end, I decided I'd rather say all those things into Jared's face (or all their faces, though I-can't-shut-up-Jared Leto would get the most "compliments"), given the chance. It's more personal. And a situation where he wouldn't be able to escape. Of course, it's never going to happen.
Personally, I believe that the fame got a little to Jared's head. He's been more succesfull with his band than he was as actor. He probably feels like he can achieve everything. That might very well be true, but it's a matter of methods. And coming on stage with a bad fucking mood, snapping at people and telling the rest of the audience to step forward to the first few lines get smashed against the fences (and faint in the process) certainly isn't a good method. The sad thing is, I witnessed that with my own eyes and that night, I definitely lost my respect. For Jared, because he did this and a little for the other guys because they could have simply said "Come on, stop it now." That and a lot of other things in the past (the "The Kill" preview thing being one of the biggest things that disappointed a lot of people) really made me wonder lately. I feel like I can't compliment them on their achievements without a bitter taste in my guts.
They used to communicate a lot more with us, even during FNND. Now, I feel like they only remember the "Echelon" whenever they want us to vote. Then we get emails and encouragements. Same with that email a few months ago, in June. Jared praising those concerts that hadn't gone exactly well to lift the spirits. Berlin being one of those. He knows exactly that he fucked up and that was his way of apologising, I guess. I'd rather he says "I'm sorry for the way I acted there" than trying to make us believe it was "one of the best shows ever".
And the Echelon...I don't know. The people I used to work together, especially for the convention last year, are now acting like fucking pussies and they drive me insane. They are arrogant. A lot of people are ever since the first European shows. Before that, it was possibly to work together and make plans for promoting, meeting up etc. After that, it was all a farce. Now I'm staying away from those people and especially from the boards. I have my two communities to keep an eye on and I will, because I'm sick of taking bullshit. And so far, I've been successful with that.
And I totally vote for shirtless Shannon and Tomo. Though I fear Tomo doesn't want to show the hair on his chest *lol*
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Date: 2007-09-28 09:53 pm (UTC)in the meanwhile I'll try and stop myself to make bad jokes about being more than available to help you slapping them or also better spanking them...I'm trying really hard...really!I don't know enough about shows like the one in Berlin to judge it, i've been really angry and away from all that for a while in the past months...not with the band, with a lot of assholes that are around them and sadly *me* (and this time I'm not speaking about fangirls...or maybe I am but they calls themselves echelon..). But the little things as the barricade one...God, one of the times he did so *I* was first row, and that stupid of Tomo also made the gesture with his hand. I had bruises for days and I suffered like hell...if you want to go and slap them all for something like that I'm more than ready. It was one of the most stupid thing he could have done, and know that he does that again and again...-__-
Jared problem is that he has a God complex. the day someone will make him notice he is not God things will go better.
In the meanwhile make fun of him is such a funny play *__* I can spend hours making fun of him...(and the others too obviously..even the poor Tim, but him just for being the dog of the band and letting them treating him like that...)
I don't open the boards for months now, I just am in my and Raffie's forum with people I know really well and ignoring all the others, and now I'm chatting with other european echelons I know...if I open the official board I think I'd kill someone...
And I totally vote for shirtless Shannon and Tomo. Though I fear Tomo doesn't want to show the hair on his chest *lol*
LOL, well, no problem someone will wax him *looks innocently towards Shannon* and then he'll can show us his chest :P
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Date: 2007-09-28 10:00 pm (UTC)Haha, don't get me started on Jared. I just did a post lately regarding the forum rules XD I couldn't help it. I especially like the Birdflu joke and the bad thing about that is, I even have proof for Jared having birdflu. Every time they had a show somewhere (one being UK and Germany), there were cases of birdflu XD
I don't envy Tim. If it was for me, he'd leave that band right this instance. He's such a cute guy and I don't want him in Jared's arrogant fangs. I just don't. I guess he won't stay permanently either or else we'd already have an announcement of sorts.
I'm going to either beat or yell the God complex out of Jared one day. And no fangirl or older brother will stop me from that. One day XD Except he smartens up, that fucker.
I have to admit, when Matt left the band (and the real story behind that makes me puke and wanting to hit Jared and Shannon in the face), my first thought was: "Take Tomo with you and run. Form a new band." I heard that Tomo once talked about going into another band as well and some evil part of me hopes that he will, even if it means Jared's eternal hate *pets poor Matt*. But he can do more than this. He has a talent that I sometimes feel is a little wasted. On the other hand...that's how I know 30 Seconds to Mars. *shrugs* I don't know. I just want some sort of drastic change I guess.
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Date: 2007-09-28 10:16 pm (UTC)anyway... what real story about matt? sorry for asking, I heard so many things and made loooootsssss of speculations, but I didn't know there was a 'real story' behind, known by everyone... XD thanks in advance ;)
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Date: 2007-09-28 10:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-28 10:26 pm (UTC)well if you feel like sharing to little curious me... you have my email, right? *bats eyelashes* ;)) If not I'll understand, no problem at all :)
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Date: 2007-09-28 10:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-28 10:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-28 10:24 pm (UTC)It's a good thing that nowadays, tattoos can be removed with laser ^____^
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Date: 2007-09-28 10:29 pm (UTC)don't tell him that, or I don't know what he will do to poor tomo next time XDno subject
Date: 2007-09-28 10:32 pm (UTC)Scary thought o_O
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Date: 2007-09-28 10:39 pm (UTC)ouch, it hurts!
but maybe if he'd do I'll ask him to show me that instead of the infamous tattoo :P..and I'm sure Jared could ask for that but for reasons far more interesting than marking him *evil grins*no subject
Date: 2007-09-28 10:28 pm (UTC)Oh, I so want to kick Jared for how he acts towards poor Tim. I mean if he doesn't want to make him official ok, his choice and maybe he also has good reasons
but I doubt itbut I can't stand the way he acted with him, as if the poor Tim wouldn't exist. He totally ignore him. I still can't believe he really leaves him at the venue in the morning O.o Not even dogs are treated like that...And I totally hate that he doesn't let Tim out with the fan. In London he wasn't doing anything, he could have come down and hang a little with us, and it was obvious he wuold have liked it since he was almost killing himself out of a window just to chat a little and receive a few gifts, but probably Jared didn't let him...Is he afraid the fangirls could love Tim's puppy eyes more than his?Dunno why Tim is still there. I really like him and I like to have him there so I can see him a lot more than for him being in another band, but really, it's humiliating, also because that guy works his ass off every single night to make "their" shows great (and on stage he is something...I have no worlds, lol *_*). And they'll probably keep him like that for a long time, without kinking him out and without confirming him. Where do they find someone else they can treat like that? (that doesn't apply for Tomo 'coz he's always been kind to poor Tim...but not even Tomo can fight the Dark Prince fury..)
I heard that Tomo once talked about going into another band as well
Can I be really evil? ok, I can...
Nothing can convince me that the tattoo on Tomo's arm is a mark. Sorry, but that tattoo done now with the glyphs and the write..it screams to me "I'm property of Jared Leto" and not in a hot/slashy way. I'd bet almost anything that's not Tomo who had the idea of it...he agreed, but Jared asked. But maybe it's just me being my bitch self...
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Date: 2007-09-28 10:35 pm (UTC)Seeing what happened towards Matt, he might be afraid to lose a friend. I dunno. I didn't understand why he got a tat, all of a sudden *shrugs* Not to mention the Latin phrase is wrong.
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Date: 2007-09-28 10:56 pm (UTC)Don't tell me about the wrong phrase, we were so tempted in London to point it out to Tomo, but then we really hadn't the heart to tell him the permanent tattoo on his arm has a major error...instead I had to go away when he showed it or I'd fall on the floor laughing :P
Or maybe he did it on purpose..I hope so for him, lol
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Date: 2007-09-28 11:18 pm (UTC)evil vs puccio forever XD
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Date: 2007-09-29 10:36 am (UTC)On the other hand, Croatian isn't based on Latin, so we can't really blame him, either. But GAWD, he knows how to use the internet, damnit!
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Date: 2007-09-28 09:37 pm (UTC)Has that been rewarded lately? With more than a hollow "We love you Echelon"? Or a smile and a "Oh, that's great", and it's clear they're not really interested in that anymore?
I had some doubt about this, too, before leaving for London... for the Italy situation (you really have no ideaa about the milan show) and for maybe the same things you said... and I had really little hope. Even if I kept following them and promote and yadda-yadda, I can say I thought something a bit similar. Now that I was there I can say that I was wrong... or better: I can say that, imo, it's just more difficult for them to show it and for us to have a chance to see it, but they are still interested in that. I saw it with my own eyes outside of the BBC radio in the morning... you know, the pics with them with all the Echelon? Not after the show or at the signing, but that morning.
Maybe there are too many people now and it's impossible for everyone to find moments like this, but I swear, that hour it seemed I was back in Manchester in January, when everyone thought they were different. They're not.:) Things changed, it's true, what doesn't? And Echelon maybe is a little bit different... but it's still there... I know I'm not the only one who saw it and felt it and I can't really explain it, not more than Ginny, because of my English and because I couldn't express a feeling... I can say "they were happy to be there, they were interested, they chatted with us, they thanked us as we'd loved, they gave us *something* again as they did once" but I can't convince you and I know that you can't believe me... I'm only trying to explain why I think differently now. As I said: IMO the feeling is still there, the Echelon is still there. Just more more difficult to see it, for everyone... or to create the right chances. but as I said, I can't make you change your mind, and I think you have all the right to think like that, I did too, so I understand your pov too, as you said about ours.
I just hope they'll do something to give you something back or to make you see something more again :) If you want it, I mean. Maybe you're perfectly ok this way and I suppose your life goes on at its best anyway XD lol!
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Date: 2007-09-28 09:50 pm (UTC)I didn't really have a doubt when I saw them the first time. It was nice. All I would have wished is that they would have taken some more time for us. Matt and Tomo did and it was real fun, but well. First show in Europe, probably really nervous. It was fine. We had a fun time. The second show I went to really destroyed what little hope I had completely. Of course, everyone can have a bad day but it pissed me off that Jared took out is bad mood on his audience. The people who buy their CDs and certainly didn't pay for a concert ticket so the lead singer of their favourite band makes them getting smashed against the fences and faint. It royally sucked and there's no excuse for it.
As for the meeting after the radio show...I saw the pictures. It looked like you guys had a lot of fun. I just wish they would keep giving people a nice time constantly, even with off days, you know? Be professionals. As for there being too many people - just think how many people went to their US shows before they came over here. They took their time nonetheless. Much longer than over here. I don't think that is really a problem, more like maybe they get a little tired of people wanting a piece of them all the time, which is understandable.
I'm mostly ever doing stuff for the people rather than the band now. I feel more comfortable with that. I do believe you had a great time. I also believe that you can have a good time with the guys. And maybe one day, I will go to another show and not meet such an behaviour as last time. It's still kinda painful to remember how many disappointed faces I saw. Apart from the slutty fangirls, of course, who believe the sun shines out of Jared's ass. *rolls eyes*
But yeah...when I left the last show I went to, I swore to myself to not go to another show for various reasons. One being not wanting a repeat performance. Secondly, I've heard the same songs twice now and that's enough. I rather go when they play something new again because it's simply not worth the money. And I really need a reason to ever see them again. Well, them is not the problem. It's really only Jared who keeps pissing me off. *shrugs* Maybe one day, who knows. :-))
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Date: 2007-09-29 12:23 am (UTC)Believe me: italy is worst XD echelon united? yeah, sure XD
Maybe tomorrow I'll tell you some gossip via email LOL
But as ginny said, some people are worth it and that's why i'm still here... the friends who are in my division (or sub division XD) are amazing and luckily we have each other. maybe we play more in our sandbox than out with everyone, as you do... but sometimes it's just necessary! And you're right about doing it for the people... often we do things just cause we love to be together...and echelon for us is that too :)
I'm really sorry about your bad experience :( I think we all already spoke about those things in the comments above anyway, but now I understand more what you meant about how you feel and everything else.
For now *I* feel this way thanks to London and that moment at the radio, and I'm again full of energy and hope XD but I hope there will be many other chances like these for everyone. and Let's hope then to see this big change... for you too... for the better. who knows, yes ;)
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Date: 2007-09-29 10:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-28 09:41 pm (UTC)there also are a lot of people out there that are worth it
<= word. that's why I'm still here ♥
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Date: 2007-09-28 08:22 pm (UTC)great post =)
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Date: 2007-09-28 09:26 pm (UTC)It needs an italian translation for our forum...lol...tomorrow...
Did you read Seasidh comment up there? she's thinking the same things we thought before London...I'm so glad we weren't the only one...
love you baby ♥
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Date: 2007-09-28 11:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-28 09:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-28 09:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-09-28 11:28 pm (UTC)scherzi a parte, condivido ogni parola, tesor (pure i commenti a Seasidh), anche se sono latitante dal forum e non più attiva come una volta (colgo l'occasione per dire alla Raffie che se serve liberare un posto per un mod più meritevole di me, non esiti a declassarmi, che me lo merito ^^°) e i momenti dei nostri concerti Echelon sia in Inghilterra (mi girano ancora nn aver potuto esserci -è italiano? uhm..pare di sì- a Brixton =.=') che a MIlano lo dimostrano.
ok direi che andrò a collidere col letto che pensieri coerenti non li riesco a formulare now.
un bacione!
PS: per delirare su Supernatural puoi fare riferimento anche a me adesso....in ritardo ma arrivo anche io..dire che sono "schiava" dei WInchester è un eufemismo *lol* una settimana...ce la posso fare 0_0
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Date: 2007-09-29 09:59 am (UTC)I wait until you post the Italian translation for writing a comment properly ;)
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Date: 2007-09-30 08:07 am (UTC)Magari me la salvo su word e me la leggo piano piano: quando ho finito, faccio il commento intelligente ;)
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Date: 2007-10-02 10:43 am (UTC)La mia opinione in proposito è molto semplice (ok, diciamo pure che è da totale profana, quindi aarà sicuramente una stupidaggine :P), non so naturalmente a quali conflitti ti riferisci esattamente, ma immagino più o meno di cosa si tratta: il solito scontro fans di vecchia data veri appassionati / nuovi fans superficiali. Io non sono mai stata tipo da appartenere a fans club o cose del genere (non sto dicendo che quelli che vi apparatengono sono imbecilli, semplicemente a me non è mai interessato), nemmeno quando avevo quindici anni (cioè già un po' di tempo fa >.<)però sono stata a lungo nel mondo della musica (un paio di "fidanzati" musicisti metal, qualche "flirt" con bassisti/batteristi/chitarristi etc.)e sono come funzionano queste cose. Se un gruppo diventa appena un po' più famoso del solito è assoluitamente normale che il gruppo di fans si allarghi e che vi entrino anche persone che li seguono in modo un po' più superficiale. Secondo me in questo non c'è niente di male. Ognuno si sceglie le proprie passioni e se le coltiva come vuole. Se una persona va a tutti i concerti di un gruppo e sa tutto (più o meno) dei componenti e un'altra invece va solo ad un concerto una volta all'anno o anche meno e si limita ad ascoltare i loro dischi non ci trovo niente di sbagliato. Non capisco dove sia il problema, da entrambe le parti (ok, magari è perchè non ne so niente). E d'altro canto, non si può pretendere che i componenenti di un gruppo musicale "di nicchia", quando improvvisamente diventano piuttosto famosi (almeno per gli standard del tipo di muscia che fanno), non ne siano lusingati, magari ci giochino un po', si montino un po' la testa o cose del genere. Sono umani anche loro e, parlando francamente, i soldi non fanno schifo a nessuno (e qui ci inserisco il motto latino: pecunia non olet :P)...credo che quelli che vanno in giro a dire che loro non suonano per soldi ma solo per passione etc. lo facciano un po' per posa in realtà: certo che la passione c'è (o dovrebbe esserci), ma se ci sono anche i soldi credo che tutti siano più contenti (per non parlare della gratificazione, ancje artistica, di essere apprezzato da un milione di persone piuttosto che da cinquemila, tanto per dire),chi non lo ammette secondo me è un'ipocrita. Secondo me è perfettamente normale che un gruppo musicale cerchi il maggior successo possibile. Certo, rischi di trovarti persone che ti apprezzano superficialmente, che non conoscono la tua "storia" artistica e via dicendo, ma se ci pensi è un po' come la storia delle fic su Alessandro (toh, il primo esempio che mi viene in mente...;)), prima era una cosa per pochi "intimi", col film si è allargata anche a quelli che non sanno nulla di Storia ma che hanno visto il film, amano Farrell e Leto e si fanno dei giri mentali un po' perversi su di loro (*ç*). Col passare del tempo, probabilmente, la cosa si "sgonfierà" e tornerrà riservata agli appassionati, credo. Forse capiterà così anche con i 30stm. Ma perchè adesso non dovrebbero godersi il loro momento di celebrità (in fondo meritata, sono dei buoni musicisti) senza tanti problemi?
Sai che con le persone stupide, ignoranti o maleducate (spesso le tre cose sono apparentate)dovrai sempre avere a che fare, è un dato di fatto. Io credo che l'importante sia non prendersela troppo, pensare che comunque, la cosa non è così importante...Sì, lo so che per te (voi) i 30stm sono importanti, che non si tratta solo di passione musicale, che è uno stile di vita etc., ma anch'io pensavo così di cose che ora mi sembrano ssolutamente secondarie. Sì, buonanotte, adesso sembro la mammina cinquantenne...anch'io alla vostra età... °__°
Riguardo alle rpf slash non dico nulla perchè forse sai come la penso...non le leggo, non mi interessano e non capisco perchè la gente le scriva e le legga. Ma ho sempre pensato che ognuno fa quello che vuole e che io non sono meglio (o peggio) di un altro perchè non la penso come lui, quindi...
Ok. la mia sbobba te l'ho propinata :P
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Date: 2007-10-02 02:12 pm (UTC)Prometto che appena riesco ti rispondo sul serio...e grazie mille del commento e dei suggerimenti ;)